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Post by khali on Jun 2, 2009 20:32:23 GMT -5
The roleplay focused entirely on the Mytilene Revolt? Might just be me, but I think that's kind of obscure to be using to as a way to summarize the Peloponnesian Wars. There's plenty of bigger things they could be using to examine the conflict too--but it's still a part of history, and I guess since it was isolated on Lesbos it kind of makes a good subject to study without it getting too convoluted. Wait a minute!!!! I would like focus more on this Lesbos place. Sounds like by kind of place. ;D If you see any lesbian tourists or residents...do ya THINK they'll be interested in you? ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by Kermit The Hulk on Jun 2, 2009 21:56:04 GMT -5
Wait a minute!!!! I would like focus more on this Lesbos place. Sounds like by kind of place. ;D If you see any lesbian tourists or residents...do ya THINK they'll be interested in you? ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) Hey! I didn't say I was gonna try and date any Lesbians. I just wanna spy on them.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man on Jun 2, 2009 22:00:53 GMT -5
Yeah, it's a known fact that all lesbians secretly urge to have passionate sex with each other in front of men...
...right...?
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Post by khali on Jun 2, 2009 22:01:03 GMT -5
If you see any lesbian tourists or residents...do ya THINK they'll be interested in you? ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) Hey! I didn't say I was gonna try and date any Lesbians. I just wanna spy on them. Oh, well in that case...say no more, more power to you, don't ask and don't tell, etc. Just remember that they aren't necessarily going to be hot. That's especially true where I live.
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Post by Kermit The Hulk on Jun 2, 2009 22:03:04 GMT -5
Hey! I didn't say I was gonna try and date any Lesbians. I just wanna spy on them. Oh, well in that case...say no more, more power to you, don't ask and don't tell, etc. Just remember that they aren't necessarily going to be hot. That's especially true where I live. Wait...you mean to tell me that all lesbians don't look like they do on The L Word!? ;D
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Post by khali on Jun 2, 2009 22:05:23 GMT -5
Oh, well in that case...say no more, more power to you, don't ask and don't tell, etc. Just remember that they aren't necessarily going to be hot. That's especially true where I live. Wait...you mean to tell me that all lesbians don't look like they do on The L Word!? ;D Oh, they would...if you got their faces and melted them and then tripled their size.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man on Jun 2, 2009 22:06:01 GMT -5
Or if you got too drunk to tell the difference.
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Post by khali on Jun 2, 2009 22:07:09 GMT -5
That might explain why the ancient Greeks were such big fans of wine...
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man on Jun 2, 2009 22:10:38 GMT -5
Possibly. Probably also doesn't help that a lot of research on the subject says that they were pretty put-off and afraid of the female form to begin with.
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Post by khali on Jun 2, 2009 22:22:54 GMT -5
Possibly. Probably also doesn't help that a lot of research on the subject says that they were pretty put-off and afraid of the female form to begin with. And now we know why there's so many more Indians than Greeks. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man on Jun 2, 2009 22:25:45 GMT -5
Seriously, have you ever examined Greek myths, plays, and poetry on the subject of women? Almost all of the women presented in them are monsters, seductresses, or are in some way evil. The vast majority of my research paper was citing evidence after evidence on the negative views on women that the Greeks presented in their stories (which made writing it easy as pie).
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Post by khali on Jun 2, 2009 22:32:09 GMT -5
Actually yes I have. And it's an interesting cultural development considering how common it is among the Greeks.
The Iliad and the Odyssey are both practically anthems to the anti-female sentiment in Greece at the time.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man on Jun 2, 2009 22:34:16 GMT -5
Indeed. I had over 60 reference points in my paper, and most of them came from those two sources.
Also, don't forget some of the Greek plays, like The Medea and The Agamemnon. Medea and Klytaimnestra definitely give Greek women a bad name, and even when Homer praises Odysseus' wife, he also tends to point out Agamemnon's wife as a contrast to keep the reader remembering the dangers that women presented.
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Post by Kermit The Hulk on Jun 2, 2009 22:35:19 GMT -5
No wonder Sappho wrote erotic poems about women.
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Post by khali on Jun 2, 2009 22:39:06 GMT -5
I think there's bits and pieces of that sort of feeling in Oedipus too. The Sphinx that devoured unwary travelers who couldn't answer her riddles, not to mention Jocasta who (unwittingly) became the symbol of her accidental incestuous relationship with her son.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man on Jun 2, 2009 22:43:05 GMT -5
Yeah, like I said, lots of women were presented as monsters. From famous monsters like Medusa, the Sirens, and the Sphinx to semi-famous monsters like Scylla, Charybdis, and the Harpies to monsters like the Chimera that I always thought were male before this, the vast majority of them seem to be women.
And then, of course, there were the Amazons, who stood as a warning against societies with powerful women.
Also, speaking of Jocasta, I've read that some literary scholars think she knew the whole time that Oedipus was her son. I'm not sure how far I buy into that (though I think it's clear that she figured it out before Oedipus did), it's an interesting proposition to think about, as it casts Jocasta in an even more negative light than she was already in.
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Post by khali on Jun 3, 2009 21:32:22 GMT -5
It wouldn't surprise me. I always got the impression from reading that Sophocles was trying to make Jocasta look as bad as rationally possible.
Opinions on women seemed to change a bit when the Romans took power though.
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