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Post by Deadpool is Insane on Oct 4, 2009 19:48:31 GMT -5
So I got back from this movie last night and have to say I'm very disapointed. This movie could have been so much more. It has such a good principle for a sci-fi movie, but doesn't touch on half of what it could and what it does touch on is unrealistic even for it's own medium.
The things I found to unrealistic to ignors:
1) 14 years. That's how long it took surrogates from going from an idea in a guys head to 99% of the worlds population using them full time with full functionability including feeling, etc.
2) Everyone was just sterotypical "pretty people" (outside of TWO random people you see for 3 seconds... a blue guy and cyber punk girl). I call B.S., you know good and well if people could walk around looking however they wanted there would be tons of superheros, mythological beings, anthropomorphic animals/whatever, aliens, etc running around.
3) CLubs. Also, you know good and well that if there was no need to feel embarased about anything like they imply in this movie, there would be all sorts of fetish clubs out there too, especially for ones previously unatainable in real life (expansion fetishes, transformation, etc). But no, every club was just a normal club.
4) I'm supposed to buy that ONE corporation are the only manufactures and suppliers of this product? Yeah right.
5) I'm also supposed to believe that the crime and murder rate dropped to 1% over night? Another, yeah right. Now, later in the movie they introduce things that I could buy that happening eventually, but you know at first some mean people would break into peoples houses while they were in their pods to get s***.
6) I'm supposed to buy the crime rate basically being 0 but everywhere still has large as hell police forces AND nations go to war where no one ever dies because all they do is have their surrogate get killed and hop into another one like a video game respawn? If these things prevented all this crime, why wouldn't they prevent war?
Anyways, outside of these problems they also have the problem of just not being a very good movie. These previous things stick out so badly because the movie is so dull.
On a side note, it seems so many movies I've seen this year have instantly connected my mind to video games.
Distrcit 9 = Halo Pandorum = Dead Space Zombieland = Dead Rising
and now: Surrogates = Second Life
lol
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man on Oct 4, 2009 19:54:19 GMT -5
2) Everyone was just sterotypical "pretty people" (outside of TWO random people you see for 3 seconds... a blue guy and cyber punk girl). I call B.S., you know good and well if people could walk around looking however they wanted there would be tons of superheros, mythological beings, anthropomorphic animals/whatever, aliens, etc running around. You're right; the furries would be out in force if such technology existed.
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Post by themaskedavenger on Oct 4, 2009 23:03:21 GMT -5
Well Ill by pass this movie as I think second life is well.........................stupid.
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Post by Thomas Rigby on Oct 5, 2009 9:32:34 GMT -5
This shows how far out of the loop I am when it comes to anything BUT horror films, because I'd never even HEARD of Surrogates until reading this review. Blasphemy, I know, especially since it stars America's favorite meathead himself Bruce Willis.
Anyway, I did some reading up on the history of the story, and I've got to say that the comic book sounds infinitely better than the film. The ending of the comic book sounds truly poignant, and like something that could make a point without getting all heavy-handed and didactic, whereas this just sounds like every other damn Hollywood sci-fi action film.
Thoroughly enjoyed the notes, Pool.
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Post by rorschach on Oct 8, 2009 15:24:52 GMT -5
To throw my own mini review in there: I agree with much of what DP said, and I'll add in that this is what makes SURROGATES so damn frustrating. There are so many interesting premises going on in the film, and it manages to touch on exactly none of them. I mean, hell, like DP said, you see stuff in the background and wish it was part of the main theme of the movie, but the film never acknowledges it.
Example: If you're free to look like anyone, why would you want to look like EVERYONE? You know damned good and well that there would be men who had a pregnant surrogate, just because they CAN'T do it in real life, and there would surely be a surrogate (man or woman, take your pick) with absolutely MONSTER boobs. There's no argument. It would be done, and why? Because the concept of the surrogate allows you to become what you could never be in life. So a girl who always wanted to be curvy would naturally have a curvy surrogate, maybe one with a bit of a belly, you know? I mean, it's not like she has one in RL, it's not like she's fat... so why not have a fat surrogate? I cannot accept that everyone just has these generic "supermodel" surrogates. CANNOT.
Another note: Why is it that only the surrogates of Bruce Wills and his wife (to an extent) still look like themselves? Are we to believe that they're the only two confidant enough in their looks to want their robot counterparts to look that way? BS. I call BS. And where the hell are the celebrities? Surely such a fame whore as Paris Hilton or Kim Kardashian (another woman whose ass would surely be stolen by many women for their surrogates) would have identical surrogates? And what of movies starring men like John Goodman, Kevin James, or Jack Black? These heavier comedians are just gone, forgotten? What if I want a surrogate that LOOKS like John Goodman? More BULLS*** on this movie's part. I mean, if nothing else, seeing Kim, Paris, or hell, even a Kate Gosselin surrogate being gunned down, or otherwise murdered would have lent an air of comedy to this otherwise dull film. Hell, imagine a surrogate Lindsay Lohan getting a stray round through the eye while sipping vodka in a club....PRICELESS.
*SIGH*
I guess I should talk about the story itself....though there's not much to it. A cop (played by the master of playing grizzled cops, Bruce Willis) is on the trail of a madman who is intent on murdering surrogates-the robotic replacements that apparently every human on the planet uses in place of themselves in everyday life. The catch? In the 99% robotic world that Earth has become, the killer is human.
Seriously, that's about it. Willis must track down this killer (who is using what looks like an EMP like device) before the killer can access the surrogate mainframe, plug this device in, and kill every human being attached to a surrogate. Why is the killer doing this? Well, without spoiling the plot too much, I'll just say that not EVERYONE is onboard and online with the whole concept of surrogacy. In fact, there's a guerrilla group led by Ving Rhames that is actively denouncing surrogates and wants nothing more than to see surrogacy ended, and real life humans back on the street.
When I first went and saw SURROGATES, I was initially really fond of it...but like a mediocre restaurant experience that only gets worse the more you think about it (you go from not leaving a tip...to wanting to talk to the manager...to wanting the waitress fired....to wanting to write a letter to the corporate heads about how crappy the service was) the more I thought about SURROGATES, the madder I got and the less I liked it, and the more logic bombs and holes I found in it's plot. Seriously, I could take up a whole other page with stuff that either didn't make sense, should have been explored, or was just plain stupid. But in the end...I'll just say this gets ** from me and leave it at that.
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Post by Kermit The Hulk on Oct 8, 2009 18:41:15 GMT -5
2) Everyone was just sterotypical "pretty people" (outside of TWO random people you see for 3 seconds... a blue guy and cyber punk girl). I call B.S., you know good and well if people could walk around looking however they wanted there would be tons of superheros, mythological beings, anthropomorphic animals/whatever, aliens, etc running around. You're right; the furries would be out in force if such technology existed. Hell, quite a few are out in force in the real world without this technology. Therefore, there should be furries in this movie.
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Post by rorschach on Oct 8, 2009 20:34:19 GMT -5
You're right; the furries would be out in force if such technology existed. Hell, quite a few are out in force in the real world without this technology. Therefore, there should be furries in this movie. One of Bruce Willis' cop buddies should have been one. Would have given the movie an entirely FIFTH ELEMENT feel...though that wasn't what they were going for, I don't think. Also, don't you think that rebellious teens would go for the whole "THEY LIVE" faceless look? If for shock value alone over anything else.
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Post by Deadpool is Insane on Oct 9, 2009 13:51:51 GMT -5
You're right; the furries would be out in force if such technology existed. Hell, quite a few are out in force in the real world without this technology. Therefore, there should be furries in this movie. It was the first thing that sprang into my mind to create these other thoughts. Also, I thouroughly enjoy the game Second Life. Take of all that what you will. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by rorschach on Oct 9, 2009 14:18:33 GMT -5
Another point of contention: what happened to the elderly? Surely, much as Bruce Willis was an older guy with a surrogate, Grandma wants to relive her youth and would want to have a sexy young surrogate. So what happens when Granny's surrogate falls asleep behind the wheel of a car? How DO you drive while in surrogate mode anyway? Shouldn't there be MASSIVE traffic fatalities?
And as for the ending.....can you say WORST TERROR ATTACK IN HISTORY?
I knew you could.
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